Stupid Politics

[hesperornis]

You know, I gave up hoping for the perfect candidates a long time ago, but I was really looking forward to having a couple of really solid choices this time around.  I was cautiously enthusiastic about both candidates and their respective VP choices. 

Now I find out that Governor Palin is a friggin' creationist. 

I hate to be a one-issue voter, especially since deciding to vote pro-life was one of the main reasons I voted for Bush, and I eventually ended up disagreeing with virtually everything else he did.  I also hate to reflexively vote against the Republicans.  I'm not a fan of heavy government involvement, and my dad keeps telling me just how much "universal health care" is not going to work as promised. 

But I have very, very few buttons to be pushed that I really feel I know something about, and keeping "Intelligent Design" out of science classrooms is one of them.  Normally, I would assume that the VP doesn't really have that much say in such things, but I've been recently reading about how Dick Cheney personally managed to see to it that the Endangered species act was violated, in Oregon, back in 2001, with the blessing of the National Science Foundation.  So I guess there's some clout to be had.  And there are enough people willing to believe the line that "all views deserve to be heard" (so go take a comparative religions class!  grumblegrr...) that it would worry me a bit to have another person in the White House who thinks that ID is science.  

It's tempting to give up what research I'd been doing into the issues and just resign myself to voting Democratic, but I still feel the need to try to convince myself that Obama is all we've been hoping for... or at least a little bit of what we've been hoping for. 

Please forgive this barely informed ramble.  *puts away soapbox*  God I hate politics so much.

Comments

[perdita-dream.livejournal.com]

It is frustrating. It is like no one can get any candidates we can really get behind, for whatever reasons. They all have to say what is popular in their party in order to get the votes, not because it is what they believe (or don't believe).

So we are stuck with these puppets of people... chosen for their perceived elect-ability and not because they are worthwhile candidates. I recall I once liked McCain and his "straight talk express" but not anymore. He has become just another puppet.

Palin is awful on many levels. It is annoying how she and the conservatives are using her daughter's pregnancy to promote Palin to conservative voters. I don't understand why they keep saying the daughter is "choosing" to keep the baby. There was never any choice there. That is sort of the point of being pro-life.

It is such a messy issue. People are often confused when I say I am pro-choice but that I think it is morally wrong to abort a baby for reasons other than serious medical ones. It is that I think people have a right to ultimately decide this matter for themselves. It doesn't mean I think they should pick an abortion.

For example, if I somehow got pregnant right now, I wouldn't abort, even if it totally messed up school for me. I think it would be selfish and wrong to end a life for my own convenience. But I want to have the right to come to that conclusion. By implying Palin's daughter was allowed a choice at all... we know she wasn't. Now she is being used at a prop in this whole sham. It is sad. Everyone really needs to leave the poor girl alone. No one should even know but her and her family.

[superquail.livejournal.com]

I hear you on Palin's false claim of her daughter's great "choice." If Palin had her way, no woman in America would have that supposed luxury.

[perdita-dream.livejournal.com]

If they had said something like "In accordance with our beliefs, we are not allowing our daughter to decide if she wants to have the baby or not. That is not a right she has. She is going to have the baby, period." That would have been correct.

Not this "We are proud of her choice" thing. Hell, she is a minor, so it is especially true she has no choice.

[superquail.livejournal.com]

Right on, perdita. I kind of wish there was some kind of interview with her, some chance to get her side of the story. The way this is shaping up, it Bristol Palin is looking like quite a classical tragic figure.

[hesperornis.livejournal.com]

Oy, and if I understand correctly, the boyfriend is not at all happy about the situation. Talk about your shotgun weddings.

[superquail.livejournal.com]

I can't blame the guy for being pissed about the whole situation. 5 months ago when the knocking-up took place, no one thought of Palin as a potential VP pick. In fact, I don't think any one was thinking about her all that seriously until after the announcement was made!

My guess is that after the election, if McCain/Palin lose, she will vanish of the front pages, and perhaps the wedding will be called off. If McCain/Palin win . . . well, then I think the family will remain in the harsh spotlight, and Bristol and Levi can be expected to just suck it up and deal.

Whatever people might say about Bristol, my guess is that Levi's future is unquestionably being sacrificed at the alter of Palin's ambition.

[hesperornis.livejournal.com]

Frankly, I'm unsympathetic. People who really think that their future will be totally ruined by having a kid really shouldn't be having sex. Birth control is all well and good, but the only way to be sure is to abstain or to have one's sex organs completely removed.

...Heh, I just had a humorous vision of 'abstinence-only' sex ed making way for 'abstinence or castration' sex ed. Hee.

Anyway... Levi is equally responsible for the kid and I don't think he should be allowed to back out of it regardless of Palin's political status. Whether or not they get married, Levi's future is toast because now he'll have to help support a child. Actually, he'll probably be better off if McCain/Palin do get elected and he marries into the family. I shouldn't say that, I don't know what his background is, but I'm sure it couldn't hurt his future to be married to the VP's daughter.

Anyway-anyway, the pregnant-daughter thing was never what annoyed me about Palin to begin with. What bothers me is that she's the daughter of a science teacher and she supports ID in science classes. :-P

[superquail.livejournal.com]

Dude, no offense, but that is exactly the sort of attitude that really pisses me off. A baby is not a punishment for being stupid. A baby is a human being and deserves to be treated as such. If a parent does not have the wherewithall to care for the child, or the desire to care for that child, than they should do the responsible thing and find a family that wants a child. I don't think that a person's future should be "toast" just because they had sex. Everyone has sex. We are programmed to have sex. Our culture is built around the concept that sex is something everyone should be doing, there is no escape from sex in advertising, television shows, movies, music, you name it. To expect celibacy from anyone other than a priest or a nun is unreasonable.

That said, I agree that there are plenty of other reasons to dislike Palin other than her family drama. She doesn't believe in evolution or global warming (probably not to sure about gravity, either) and she is corrupt as all get out.

[hesperornis.livejournal.com]

Ah, but therein you have the 'choice' in keeping the baby. She (or her parents, maybe, especially considering that she's a minor) has chosen to keep it as opposed to putting it up for adoption. (This is why pro-life does not equal anti-choice. There are still choices, it's just that abortion is not considered a moral option.) But that was off-topic.

I do agree that a baby is not a punishment, and I absolutely agree that a baby is a human being before and after birth. But I'm unsympathetic with a guy who's angry because he helped create a life. If it helps you understand where I'm coming from, I'm mostly concerned that if _her_ life is going to be disrupted, then _his_ should be too--they both chose to have sex, and if stereotypes are to be believed, he may have even had more of a say than she did (though I'm being careful to give him the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument). It's not fair that she should have to live with the consequences of their actions and he shouldn't. Hopefully that clarifies things a bit.

Anyway, if I understand this correctly, it could have gone much worse for him. Technically, if he's 18 and she's 17, he could be charged with rape of a child and carry the sex offender label for life. Not that I think he should be, but I've heard of that sort of thing happening.

With that said, though, not 'everyone' has sex out of wedlock. I managed to run the culture gauntlet and still wait until I got married. There are plenty of people who abstain for religious, personal, or safety reasons. Teenagers do have crazy hormones, but they still have brains. Sex ed may be abstinence-only or safer-sex-oriented, but last I heard most schools still teach basic biology as a matter of course.

Of course, I have no idea what goes into 'abstinence-only' education, I guess. For all I know, it's a one-day course consisting of one word: don't. But the Catholic school I went to (where you'd expect such things) started getting into the basic biological aspects way back in 4th grade. Sexual morality was taught in middle school (sex is a good, sacred thing but should be shared with someone you're willing to merge your soul with for life, etc.). By the time we got to high school, it was mostly review coupled with "this is why the church teaches that birth control is selfish, immoral and ungodly." I wish we'd have gone over the sanctioned alternatives, frankly, because then I wouldn't have gone into my Natural Family Planning class afraid that I'd have to take my basal temperature any way other than orally. But anyway, _that_ was our abstinence-only education. As in, it actually felt like education, not total silence. Some students still ignored it, but some didn't. I guess at that point, your informed choice is, in fact, your choice and living with it is the only thing you can do.

Also, you are correct in saying that celibacy only applies to religious who have taken vows. But it's not unreasonable to expect chastity of everyone. Simply, that means waiting until marriage. But generally it means respecting yourself and others, and respecting sexuality as the sacred, creative, bonding force that it is.

[superquail.livejournal.com]

Ah, I see what you are saying. It is true that in the general swing of things the dude gets of scot-free (ala Juno) and the girl is the one stuck with the pregnancy, the publicity of everyone knowing what she's been doing, and the ultimate responsibility for deciding what happens before and after the birth of the child.

While I agree that men should be held responsible for their actions to the same degree as women, the few cases of teen pregnancies that I know about personally (I do come from a small town, after all) the guy was not father material. If we're talking about what's best for the child, sometimes not having the father in the picture is better than having him there. To be fair, the same can also be said of some mothers.

You are right that not everyone has sex prior to marriage. But the cultural, social and biological pressure is enormous, and not everyone has the capacity to fight it. Furthermore, not everyone has the desire to.

As for abstinence-only education, one of the things that I find most lacking is that they don't generally describe strategies for how to remain abstinent. They don't talk about what do you do when you're in love with someone and you have a desire to be intimate, but you know that sex isn't right for you. What are the kinds of things you and your partner can to do together that will leave you both happy and feeling close and loving that does not violate your belief in abstaining from sex? These sort of details I think are really important. You can't just tell people to "say no" you have to tell them *how* to say no. How many people have sex for the first time because their boyfriend/girlfriend says he/she will dump them if they don't? My first boyfriend said he would kill himself if I didn't. That's some serious pressure.

[hesperornis.livejournal.com]

*boggles* Yikes, that is some serious pressure. And cruel. I agree that it would be better if alternatives and strategies were provided, not to mention if common sex myths were debunked.

[superquail.livejournal.com]

Yes, like the myth that having sex will make you happy and solve all of your problems.

Well, I survived that nasty part of my life, and though I am happy with the person I am now (and as a human being is, arguably, the sum of his/her experiences) those are not memories I cherish.

I think there are some very conflicting messages our culture sends about sex that require an adult mind to sort through. For example, there seems to be this general assumption that men are always horny and want to have sex no matter what. This myth is then taken to the next level by arguing that men cannot be expected to control themselves sexually, especially if there is a girl around who is wearing a short skirt and is drunk.

Many people say that feminists are man-haters, but I don't think that has to be the case. Feminists say that men do have the ability to control themselves, that they aren't just testosterone driven animal, and I think that is a far more man-loving view of men then some of these nasty myths that stick around.

Sigh.